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Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

Oliver Reichenstein — Fri, 01 Dec 2006 08:18:00 -0000

Second, when you achieve a certain level of success - no matter who you are - there are people who can't wait to see you fall. I accept that this is part of the territory.

That is so incredibly obnoxious, Steve. I used to be the biggest fan of Edelman. I met with Robert Pikard once at some communications event, here in Tokyo. Very nice guy. No prejudice or bad feelings whatsoever. Even though you guys had and still have a horrid anti-technorati website, unusable superficial and boring as hell, I truly believed Edelman was the only communications agency that understands conceptually what is going on right now. Stupid and naive as I am, I even complimented him on the Technorati deal. Imagine that.

But the deeper I look into it I realized, that you're just a bunch of cynics. Not even hypocrites, cynics.

I am happy to be called stupid, idealist, dreamer, whatever by a cynic. Because it either means the contrary or it doesn't mean anything. But "jealous" just doesn't work at this point. Cynics incite lots of reactions: Anger, disgust, disinterest. Jealousy is not a very common one.

In my initial article I held back, because of professional reasons (and quite honestly because I feel sorry for Robert Pickard, who has to hold a speech about blogging an PR in a couple of days in front of the Tokyo CEO creme). But you just push my buttons, so here is what I wrote on my private closed blog (asoboo.com):

I dug up this story and stirred up quite some dirt. Man business is f##### up at times. Check it out:

So there is this PR uncle, that pretends to push for the new world; new: You know, where old world advertisement and bullshitting people with lame claims and shiny ads doesn't work, and the uncle CEO even gets into blogging and openness, and advocates this new order whenever he speaks... Nice I thought. Fantastic. I am not alone.

...but in the background he sends out people to put up fake blogs with phony propaganda for Wal-Mart, all orchestrated by some right wing blogger.

When caught in the act, he first attacks Malkinlike the "main stream media" for tapping on bloggers fingers.

Next he cuts a deal with the blogging watch core piece "Technorati" while advocating transparency he pulls another fake blog stunt with Wal-Mart.

He gets caught in the act again, and finally he apologizes, but man, at this point you just lost all credibility.

And now you tell us again that we're just jealous. We are just simply upset. Because you speak like us and act like the biggest phony around. You better come down from your Orwellian horse, man, and join the party down here.

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

josh — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 19:03:00 -0000

I think it is immature of Rubel to blame his recent fall from grace on professional jealousy. Rubel and company are the author of their own demise. Take responsibility and suck it up, and spare us the antics.

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

stan — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:58:00 -0000

Blaming it on the "company" isn't the same as taking personal responsibility.

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

Blog Bloke — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 13:31:00 -0000

Thanks Steve.

"when you achieve a certain level of success - no matter who you are - there are people who can't wait to see you fall".

I hope you are not implying yours truly because that certainly isn't the case. It would also depend on what your interpretation of "success" really is (or at what cost) because I think we would differ on that point.

"Edelman as a company erred."

Without pointing any fingers, don't you think it is also important for certain individuals to take responsibility as well?

Just a suggestion.

Cheers!

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

Steve Rubel — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 06:52:00 -0000

First, thank you for the advice.

Second, when you achieve a certain level of success - no matter who you are - there are people who can't wait to see you fall. I accept that this is part of the territory.

Edelman as a company erred. No doubt. However, I have never been prouder of this organization and I will work day in night to make sure we make it all up to you.

Convinced? If not, I understand. But watch us.

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

dan — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:26:00 -0000

Even if he didn't have anything to do with it (which I highly doubt), he is an executive officer in the company and should take some responsibility. At the very least for not educating his colleagues, being that he is the so-called 'expert' blogger and all.

Re: Flogging Edelman: It’s Whoopass Time!

cindy — Sun, 22 Oct 2006 05:13:00 -0000

I find it really hard to believe that Rubel new nothing about it. After, wasn't he hired because he was the blogging 'expert'? And he is the Vice President. It really does make me go "hmm".